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on only fiscal cliff will cut gdp growth substantially. you think what effect the government spending 7% plus of our gdp on debt to bases every year for the last four years, you're talking about north of a trillion dollars economic impact. ashley: you say stay away from equities, what in particular? >> long-term treasuries a deflation hedge. the stability and coupons, emerging market coupons for some holdings in newly emerging market equities. keep in mind i am not saying stay completely away from equities. normal risk exposure. ashley: what about gold, do you like the mining stocks as compared to the gold etf? >> i do like the mining stocks trading at 30-year lows and price relative to gold. if you own some equities, it is preferable in the gold sector. ashley: investment officer joining us by phone this afternoon. thank you so much. the closing bell rings fairly soon here, under six minutes time. can you guess which tech companies are up more than 100% this year? known as the google china poised to take on apple with new technology. we will tell you what it is right after the break. [
the wealthiest americans as part of their framework for avoiding the fiscal cliff. but spending cuts still very much up in the air. team fox coverage continues with rich edson on capitol hill. rich, what's the latest on that framework. >> trace, in just a few hours, tax rates across the board are scheduled to increase. this proposal deals with it. this is the framework that senators have been discussing here. families would pay the same income tax rates they do now on the first $450,000 of income amounts of more than that they get a tax increase. one year extension of long-term unemployment benefits. doctors are scheduled to get a significant pay cut. this plan prevents that and on the estate tax, can you palings -- pass on $5 million tax tree anything more the government takes 40%, trace. >> trace: what's the hold-up from lawmakers exactly? >> in some corners, it's the spending cuts dealing with the sequester. those automatic spending cuts that are supposed to hit the economy this year or this upcoming year. there are democrats that have issue. senate democrats have not signed off on this fram
the fiscal cliff. finally 8.2%. that's the total automatic cuts that you get that would include fema, education and state and local aid. obviously states like hawaii, places like virginia that are more dependent on federal spending would get hit harder than other states, sue. so write down the numbers. write down the percentages and see how much any view they come up with brings it down to figure out what the macro economic effects will be and micro economic effects. simon? >> all right, steve. will do. we are still awaiting president obama to see how things are taking shape on parts of the deal for washington. back in two minutes. sfls welcome back to prounch. in just a few moments the president will take to the foed poed yum there to talk about the fiscal cliff negotiations. john, you have outlined what we believe are some of the components of this possible deal. given what you know, which side gave more at this point? >> i think everybody is giving. look, the president wanted, and democrats wanted, having campaigned on it, $250,000 threshold for family income for the return to the
to what they call crippling medicare cuts. the automatic fiscal cliff cuts will mean 2% reduction for medicare. on top of that, doctors face a 27% rate cut, because of a medicare formula that all sides say is broken. the sustainable growth rate formula, nicknamed the sgr, triggers doctor reimbursement cuts when health costs outpace economic growth. for nine years congress has passed doc fix funding to keep rates from being cut. this year it's being held hostage by the fiscal deadlock. without a fix, one physician group has calculated that most solo family doctors will see a $27,000 cut in terms of their revenues this year. a typical three-doctor practice will lose $80,000. the centers for medicare and medicaid notified doctors that they may not see a cut right away, because of a 14 to 29-day in terms of when they actually pay the bills after they are received. if congress reaches a deal by mid-month, they won't see a problem. the cms says they'll provide an update on january 11th. not knowing how much you're going to get paid for a couple of weeks as you're starting to see patient
in and the pentagon will be forced to cut $9 million in spending. >> if lawmakers can't avoid the fiscal cliff, they may be able to avoid a different cliff, the dairy cliff. house and senate members appear likely to extend farm legislation for a year, a deal that would keep milk prices skyrocketing in january. we were worried about $6 gallon of milk. it could keep a decades old subsidy from coming back to life. the usda would be forced to buy milk at prices well above what farmers were getting now if the subsidy was revived. it could double the price of moib to $6.12 a gallon. >> markets have been reacting to each move on capitol hill, but obviously, things at this point are looking like the dow would open down by about 7.5 points. the dow is off 67 points and the nasdaq is down 14.75 points. all the surprised given the late hour that -- >> even if something doesn't happen today, it happens in two or three days. >> right. so if you were looking for a market reaction because a lot of the market iraqis we've heard has said, if highways the case, near not getting it base odd what they're going to
to have to react as a business and it could result in cut backs. the fiscal cliff was meant to be something that nobody wanted to go anywhere near and here we are about to go off it. we really need our elected officials to figure this out, keep our economy growing and gives us some certainty about the future so we can make our plans as business leaders. we're all having such a great year in the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. 'cause all our states are great. and now is when the gulf gets even better. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride or just lay in the sun. enjoy the wildlife and natural beauty. and don't forget our amazing seafood. so come to the gulf, you'll have a great time. especially in alabama. you mean mississippi. that's florida. say louisiana or there's no dessert. brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home. >>> welcome back. the dow jones industrial still down below 13,000. we're concerned about absolutely going over the fiscal cliff on monday. the nasdaq down 28 points. cisco systems is down nearly 2%
start. early numbers point to a tough season. tracy: a nice and shiny fiscal cliff. president obama cut his vacation short. we are tracking where it is headed next. we are expecting negotiations to continue tomorrow. there is talk now that that may not happen. time to head down to the new york stock exchange with nicole petallides. nicole: merry christmas to everybody. the vix, the fear index, has been to the upside. whether or not washington will solve the worries about the so-called fiscal cliff approaching quickly. here is a look at the dow. 13,100 even. most of the dow components are under pressure. hewlett-packard doing well and bank of america in the financial round. it really is being laid upon by the retailers. i no adam shapiro will add on to that. there is a look at some movers. michael cores down over 6%. tracy: i was in the balls this weekend. lori: crowded theater not like i thought it would be. adam shapiro in the newsroom with the details. i thought it was way busier last year than it was this weekend. >> no. here are some numbers. for the period of october to eight and d
. he cut short his vacation in hawaii in order to resume talks on the fiscal cliff. we're looking at pictures of him in honolulu as he's boarding air force one. we're looking at whether congress will be back in session in order to reach a deal as the clock ticks towards that year-end deadline. >>> the imf says france should give itself more leeway to meet mission targets. the company's 3% of gdp with more pressing -- than cussing excess from public finances. the imf has warned against more tax hikes warning these could further restrict growth. he says it's built a bit of momentum, but still needs to do more. >> france has to reform. france cannot -- that can avoid reforms. it can be again reforms which might be different. but we need to reform. let me say that from that perspective, the recent decisions going the right direction and i think that the government has understood the need to help companies create jobs. so what is important is that this momentum is there going forward. i mean, the momentum, positive momentum regarding the negotiation between the trade unions and the cor
are traded up a bit. and president obama is cutting his vacation short to continue talks on the fiscal cliff. joining us now is dan henninger from the wawr wall street journ. does he want to go over the fiscal cliff? some are saying he needs more than he would just get from the rich guys. >> i doubt that he wants to go over the cliff. and i must say, president obama has repeatedly referred to himself as the unique politician, he's different than everyone. there is no politician i know would want to get into a situation like this. and barack obama marchs to his own drummer and it's possible, but i kind of doubt it. >> you wrote a piece in the wall street journal, called "no guardrails", you said the old society kept the politicians in order in washington, self-order and self-restraint. all of those disappeared as a result of the "me" generation and you say that obama is the epitome of a the "me" generation president that he sees things from his perspective and won't bend. >> the original metafor, you do have guardrails on a highway, people drive 75 miles per hour and occasionally someone gets
am shibani joshi. ashley: and i and ashley webster. fiscal cliff talks are stalling. tax hikes and spending cuts. president obama said to speak in about 30 minutes from now. shibani: stocks are holding their ground. waiting for some sort of news out of washington. the dow sitting at session highs. at least we are closing. ashley: it changes with every headline. the world ringing in the new year. new zealand, australia, japan, china, we will get a sneak preview of celebrations being planned as times square gets prepared for 1 million visitors. it is a complete nightmare. [ laughter ] ashley: time now for stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. we are up 51 points. not too bad on this last trading day of the year. >> that is right. the dow has been pretty flat. going back and forth between the red and green. the nasdaq is up 30. same goes for the s&p stock of about nine points. we are also watching a settlement between u.s. regulators and about a dozen banks. sources tell the "new york times" that 14 banks include tank of america, wells fargo and jpmorgan chase. we are taking a loo
the board cut if the fiscal cliff hits. i mean, this is the wrong posture. we don't want people that create jobs, people that decide how many people will be hired in the next year to be having -- to have bad karma now. we want people looking forward in a positive way, how we're going to grow into new markets, how to export more. we need the country to be more competitive so we can export to china, mexico, export to canada. that's critical, growth. if we have growth, we hire more people. dagen: drew, thank you, great to see you. happy new year. >> thank you, go rg iii. dagen: yeah, babe! we'll kick the cowboys you know what into mexico. drew, thank you, be well. end on a positive note. positive newses too for the housing market, recovery on the way. anthony sanders is here saying washington better not screw it up. in a show of arms, iran's military moves and what that means for the price of oil and gasoline here at home. look at how oil is trading today, well above $90 barrel a mark, down just slightly, but close to 91 bucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] at scottrade, you won't just find us onli,
. on to the fiscal cliff this morning. the president cutting his vacation short in hawaii. the president plans to leave for washington tonight. congress expected to return on thursday. president, guys, not expected to actually arrive in washington until tomorrow morning. no talks scheduled that we know of as of yet. all the attention's going to turn to the senate, which tends to be more of a compromising body than the house is. >> yes. and the president is available in person if you should want to go over there and visit with him. or perhaps if he wants to visit with anybody else. the consensus seems to be if you get some sort of a deal, it's obviously not going to be the big deal. it will simply be something that extends the tax cuts for the vast majority of americans, at least those earning less than $250,000 a year. the consensus seems to be, carl, that if we don't get a deal by the second or third or fourth week, the super bowl week, we'll start to feel it in the economy. >> we had a notable sell-off. there is typically a bias on christmas eve, but the worst christmas eve performance for t
cut their vacations short, to deal with fiscal cliff negotiations. they have five days to make a deal. and housing continues to be the bright spot in the u.s. economy: home prices post their biggest advance in two years. that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! christmas may be over, but the holiday shopping season continues. many consumers hit the malls today to return gifts and buy what they really wanted. and this is the time many gift cards get redeemed. but for retailers, holiday sales so far have been a flop. sales in the two months leading up to christmas, rose just 0.7%, according to mastercard advisors that tracks the numbers. that's way below what the retail industry was predicting. erika miller spoke with retail expert dana telsey and began by asking what happened. >> i think there were a confluence of events, extra long season. hurricane sandy. tragedy in ct. >> none of the events out there were feel good factor events. it was all for consumer morale. >> when you look at the weakness this holiday season, how much of the blame do you put on retailers for not having inspiring merc
cuts that will hit if we go over the fiscal cliff. we are talking about sequestration. burial blakely -- great to see you. >> i think the president has stated very clearly that the cuts will not happen. we have a need for the congress to join him back here and washington and get a deal done. dagen: are you worried that there is so much attention being paid to the automatic tax increases and not dealing with the sequestration that would hit your industry hard? >> you have it exactly right. the slashing cuts in federal programs will begin to affect everyone and affect us immediately. certainly, the defense industry is very worried. the readiness of our troops, the equipment they depend on, the technology that is the united states edged, that is what is really in peril here. we are all worried about that. we are worried about the layoffs that will come in the defense industry. dagen: have any of these cops already started to happen? what have you seen in the activities of these big companies? >> they have already had to start making plans. they cannot make investments. you cannot make in
to go over the fiscal cliff because then he comes in january 7th or 8th and does all these tax cuts that actually are getting rid of these tax increases so it will be the obama tax cuts instead of the bush tax cuts. stuart: wait a second. we go over the cliff. the republicans get the blame. the president flies in and saying i'm fixing everything. david: and heelowers tax rates. liz: he wouldn't be fixing anything. he would be keeping in place the bush tax rates for the middle class. that's what lost in this debate. the middle class tax rates came from the bush administration. david: that's a great point. liz: more poor people were exempted from taxes under the bush administration. more poor people were exempted from taxes under the bush administration. that data comes from the nonpartisan congressional budget office. when the bush tax cuts came in, federal revenues came pouring in 30% higher in 01 and 03. stuart: let's not forget that, please. liz, thank you very much indeed. no matter what the outcome on the fiscal cliff, looks like the g.o.p. will end up getting a big proportion o
. as fiscal cliff talks drag into the 11th hour with $600 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts due to kick in early next year, lawmakers will get back to the table later this week after house speaker john boehner's plan b failed to get enough republican support for a vote last week. >>> still, the market has been resilient. despite friday's decline, the s&p 500 posted its best week in four. and with just five trading sessions left in 2012, the dow has advanced 8% while the s&p 500 climbed 13. the nasdaq has jumped 16%. >>> reports are due this week on pending home sales. sales of new homes and a look at home prices in the nation's 20 largest cities. >>> are you still not sure what to get for the person who has everything? new retail numbers show footwear was the fifth most popular gift on shoppers' lists on black friday. a year ago, shoes didn't even make it into the top ten gifts for the season. >>> good news for hollywood. attendance by moviegoers is up more than 5.5% so far this year. ticket revenue is projected to jump by 6% by the end of 2012 which would be the industry's biggest year
and a half hours, trust me, before we go off that fiscal cliff. is there time for any deal? there may not be time to cut a deal of any kind. rich edson on the very latest of the timing of all of this. >> reporter: there might not be time to get it through the house of representatives tonight, basically saying they're going to have a conference meeting, and then they'll vote on what are known as suspension bills. they're not the fiscal cliff deal. and then they walk off the house floor between 6 and 6:30 p.m. now, this is an acknowledgment that they haven't gotten any type of deal for the senate. the senate is very much the first the act here, so we're still waiting on a deal between the white house and republican leaders. then the senate would vote, and it would go over to the house. this is somewhat of an acknowledgment that there has been no action from the senate yet, and it's not on the calendar tonight, and very likely we are going to go past that midnight deadline without having a deal pass the house and the senate and go to the president's desk for signature. but still everyone
on the fiscal cliff. the sequestration, the spending cuts, and the tax increases. which as we know will lead to a recession in 2013 likely. >> okay. we got to leave it there. >> all right. thank you. good job. happy new year. i don't know if this means you won the bet or not. i can't decide. what's that? >> i think i won the bet. i didn't want to win the bet. >> wooe'll talk. happy new year, kid. >>> keep it here for the latest on the cliff developments. we're not done with this yet. america's economy held hostage gips at 6:00 p.m. eastern time tonight. >> indeed it does. >>> also insiders view now it is a fact we are going over the cliff. what does it mean when we start trading on wednesday? >>> when we come back, a couple of technology pros gaze into their crystal balls this new year's eve. one of them thinks facebook will buy netflix and microfox will take over research in motion. oh, yeah? we'll talk about that coming up. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at o
, and see if that can avoid the fiscal cliff. the president and speaker both that they will cut their vacations short and return to washington this week to keep trying to work something out. ashley: i am surprised you got anyone would you made those calls today, peter. time is running out. peter barnes nbc. peter, thank you very much. ashley: a fox business exclusive. jeffrey, thank you so much for being here. you are bullish. >> there is an old market for a lot longer than i go back in this business. what we sell in mid-november, especially on the 16th and 19th, without getting too technical, we saw things like outside days and offside gaps. that was a key reversal. we also saw somewhat similar action around the thanksgiving. in 2011. i believe that this rally is genuine. we will need to hold on a monthly closing basis the 1400 plus. where would the charts the? if we take a look, at that horizontal line, you will notice that the outline correspond to keys peak. by taking an aerial view of the markets, sometimes they could offer potential clues. as long as we remain above this 1
the fiscal cliff, however, and that's the bad news. and looming tax hikes, spending cuts, all of that. both sides warning a very big deal becoming a bit more unlikely. >> and my one bit of advice to speaker boehner is this. you cannot pass a bill with just republicans. on a broad thing like this, you need both. and he has put himself with plan b and sort of an impossible position. he has to get these hard right goes to go along with him. and he and the president were going to say we're going to pass a deal with the majority of republicans and the majority of democrats in the house and senate, we would get a mainstream deal. >> i think we're going to fall out of the fiscal tree. the big deal for the big deal is at the debt ceiling. that's when we will have leverage to turn the country around. >> congress is now out of session for the christmas holiday. but expect it to be back thursday. joe, we talked to some of the senators and congress last week saying will you come back from vacation? some of them pretend like they weren't going, but i think they really were. >> if boehner's leadership is
. cutting his vacation in hawaii sure to tackle the fiscal cliff. reports calling the possibility of a deal before the new year "virtually impossible." let's bring in former press secretary to al gore and we also have brad blakeman. they are both joining us from washington, d.c. "the house has already passed legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff, but senate democrats have not." what do you make of that feedback they are having what amounts to a staring contest right now. it is legislation that would keep tax cuts for those making under $250,000 a year. the house does not have any plans to come back before january 1. liz: the house does have a bill that would not hurt small businesses and the job creators in this country. for some reason they seem to be avoiding that very important issue for the u.s. economy. >> what i make of it is, it all goes back to the leadership of the president. the president created this crisis. remember, he was the one who had a bipartisan commission on the debt. they came back with their proposals. two years ago, the president could have avoided all of this by havi
an agreement on the fiscal cliff was very, very close. >> we'll continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending, but let's not let that hold up protecting americans from the tax hike that will take place in about 10 hours. >> reporter: the deal would raise the top tax rate for individuals making more than $400,000 and couples with more than $450,000 in income. itemized deductions would be limited for individuals making more than $250,000 and couples making more than $300,000. the estate tax would rise to 40%. emergency unemployment benefits would be extended for another year. the alternative minimum tax would be adjusted for inflation permanently. and, in an effort to boost the economy, small businesses would be eligible for another year of bonus depreciation when they buy equipment. the big hang up is what to do about the sequester-- $110 billion in automatic spending cuts in defense and domestic programs that begin at midnight. democrats want to postpone the cuts for a year or more. republicans for just a few months. >> i think there are some republicans who believe there is no other
is lifted. >> one area you would like thei. that is a fiscal cliff area. >> closed american bond fundsaee leveraged and we think the dividends are going to be cut and there is a risk we would just avoid them. >> do you own any of theserecom? >> for our discretionaryaccounte closed end accounts and the herzfeld caribbean accounts olds all of the those we spoke of. >> susie: thank you very much tom. or our market monitor tomorrow herzfeld. coming up on monday on "n.b.r." we'll be monitoring those fiscal cliff negotiations, and we'll have news and analysis. we'll also a look back at the year in stocks, and s&p's sam stovall joins us to pre-view what's next for the markets in the year ahead. it could be one of the biggest trends in business next year: companies setting aside time for their employees to play. ruben ramirez explains. >> reporter: it may be hard to remember those hot summer days on the playground. the freedom to let your mind wander. how times have changed. as companies slashed jobs during the great recession worker productivity surged, today, many people are doing the job multi
. a traditionally quiet week could become hellish for traders. as fiscal cliff talks drag into the 11th hour with $600 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts due to kick in early next year, lawmakers will get back to the table later this week after house speaker john boehner's plan b failed to get enough republican support for a vote last week. >>> still, the market has been resilient. despite friday's decline, the s&p 500 posted its best week in four. and with just five trading sessions left in 2012, the dow has advanced 8% while the s&p 500 climbed 13. the nasdaq has jumped 16%. >>> reports are due this week on pending home sales. sales of new homes and a look at home prices in the nation's 20 largest cities. >>> are you still not sure what to get for the person who has everything? new retail numbers show footwear was the fifth most popular gift on shoppers' lists on black friday. a year ago, shoes didn't even make it into the top ten gifts for the season. >>> good news for hollywood. attendance by moviegoers is up more than 5.5% so far this year. ticket revenue is projected to jump by 6%
accountable in realtime to do their jobs. we shouldn't be in this fiscal cliff today. we shouldn't have had sequestration and automatic cuts. we shouldn't have had the debt controlling debackle. all that was manufactured by the united states congress. and so i'm sanded by where we stand. >> can i ask you this is with all respect is there a concern that perhaps you're almost bailing at a time when your moderation is needed most? >> i think it is important to have centrist voices in the united states sales in the but given the fact that i have spent 34 years in the united states congress, i thought that in looking over the next six years whether or not it would appreciably change, i didn't think so. i thought it was best to contribute my experience and insiders a voice to match the outsider's frustration and to talk about how it can change and how it used to work i don't see how it changing on the short term, given the partisanship, polarization, putting the political parties first around not the country's interest first, the outside groups that you perpetuate division, i thought i could best
-- if not resolving the fiscal cliff, at least trying to avoid the blame. darren gersh, nbr, washington. >> susie: going over the fiscal cliff will not only have an impact on the national level, it will also hit states and eventually cities. if lawmakers fail to reach a deal before january 1, the cliff's across the board spending cuts and tax increases will impact how much money states get from the federal government. ruben ramirez reports from washington. >> reporter: we all know the numbers. failing to reach a deal by january 1 will result in $109 billion in automatic cuts to federal spending. and while that's a big number, what matters most to states and municipalities is the small print, detailing just where those cuts will happen. and standard & poors' gabe pettek says those details could still be months away. >> even if the policymakers in washington, d.c., resolve the immediate issue before january 1 or shortly thereafter, we think there are going to be several details related to the administration of tax policy and the way the federal government spends money that will have an important ef
spending cuts, what they have set up is a series of mini fiscal cliffs, if you will, kate. so every three to six weeks, over the next six months, we could be going through nights like this where we're up against the clock and congress has to act and the president -- they have to figure out how to compromise or watch automatic headaches kick in. >> chuck todd is going -- it's going to be a long night. thanks for being with us on wall street today, this final trading day of the year. investors were hopeful of a deal would be work out by the time the closing bell rang at 4:00. stocks soared to their highest point today. the dow finished 166 points up, the nasdaq 59 points and the s&p 500 was up almost 2400 points on the day. for the year, the dow finished with a 7% gain. the nasdaq was up almost 16% this year and the s&p 500 gained more than 13%, a very strong year for stocks. so let's bring in cnbc's senior economics reporter steve liesman. steve, we just said the market was way up today, they thought we would have a deal. now we're headed over the cliff. this can't be good news for our eco
wants us to go over the fiscal cliff because republicans will get flamed and we will have a different scenario with the lowest rate not being 10%, but 15%, top rate of 35 to 40%, 42. and then tax cuts. david: the responsibility of political purposes is astounding to me. the only contradicting what he said a year ago, but got taken the advice of some of the top economic advisors that will go into recession. >> it is astounding. they also applies going over the fiscal cliff for that very reason. they want top tax rates to go up and are focusing on rates rather than revenue. we would have lower revenue took away some of these deductions. david: if we go into a recession, we will get far less revenue, nothing kills revenue coming into the treasury like a recession. there is no dispute about it. if you want to lose 100, $200 in tax revenue you go into a recession. all the money he thinks he's going to get from rich people by hiking the tax rate will be lost, double lost by going into a recession. >> that is exactly right. that is why when britain raise the tax rate from 40 to 50%, they fou
? >> oh, absolutely. if the fiscal cliff, if we go off of it, i think we will see crude oil prices come down substantially. my thought is though if we don't do that, if we have a short-term fix, that you will see a lot of hot money come back into the market and park itself in commodities and oil is always a favorite. so if you're rooting for the fiscal cliff, you might be rooting for lower gas prices, but you're probably rooting for lower unemployment, you know, lower income and a lot of other things as well. dagen: tom, if you're rooting for the giants, i know it was a rough day, but if it makes you feel any better, if you're a jets fan, they're a whole lot worse. >> they do. it is time to adopt a team. i think i'm going to go with the packers this year. dagen: i have always stayed sort of loyal to the redskins. they are having a good year so i don't have to be ashamed. i can just pull out my redskins sweatshirt instead of wearing my jets sweatshirt. >> as long as the cowboys lose, all is right with the world. dagen: amen brother. thank you tom. >> take care, merry christmas. >> thanks
. no, if you haven't heard there's a thing called the fiscal cliff. it's -- tax hikes and -- spending cuts that will in come on january 1. and they have done nothing to avert this. both parties say a partial agreement is probably the most that can be expected before january 1. here's a look back at some negotiations that we saw and some key developments that no one has risen above. >> the fiscal cliff, yes, it is still loom figure you're wondering. >> i think we could be taken to the brink again. >> the market is responding to the pending fiscal cliff. >> businesses have stopped investing. business has stopped spending. business has stopped hiring. >> nobody knows what's going to happen. there's outlandish guesses on both sides. >> it wouldn't surprise me if we go past january 1. >> you can't tax your way out of this. you can't cut spending your way out of this. you can't grow your way out of this. >> another two million people will lose their job. unemployment will go to 9%. why would we do that? >> president obama is meeting with high-profile officers today -- >> we don't speculate
into the swipe of things. plus, could a tumble off the fiscal cliff hurt the markets? one trader says don't fall for the hype. first business starts now. you're watching first business: financial news, analysis, and today's investment ideas. good morning. it's friday, december 28th. i'm angela miles. in today's first look: watch your neck. the market is a head-turner. yesterday the dow dropped more than 100 points on word out of washington a resolution to the fiscal cliff was unlikely. but president obama returned early from vacation and is said to have a new proposal to offer congress, sparking a rally that left the dow down just 19 points. reports are swirling apple is moving production of its mac mini computers to foxconn plants in the u.s. apple may also be working on a smart watch. and, the new york stock exchange landed the most ipo for 2012. larry levin of trading advantage joins us now. larry, it feels like we are already hanging off that cliff. > > it definitely feels that way. everybody is obviously watching for some kind of news out of washington. that is what has moved the market eve
hearing device. let's talk about the president going off the fiscal cliff or not. >> i think it is crystal clear that that is the case. his response was to offer, what he called, a small proposal. extend another $30 billion, no spending cuts and let's go back to my tax plan. that is not trying to move the ball forward. that is rubbing salt in the world. i think it is crystal clear that he wants to go off the fiscal cliff. david: let's be clear about what he has done and wants to do. he increases 25% of the baseline. if we go over the fiscal cliff, he gets a lot more money. it is not just rich people paying out. he will get a lot more money, so he does want that. he will get a cut into military. if anything goes wrong, he can blame republicans for it. >> right. from his standpoint, it is a win-win across the board to go over the cliff, have the automatic sequester cuts, take the tax increases, go back to the clinton era rates and that when the economy reacts, as it most certainly will, negatively, then he will blame the republicans for putting us into a recession. david: let's put a fine po
was no movement toward a fiscal cliff deal more in the action in the house or senate. the responsibility now to avoid massive taxes and draconian spending cuts resting squarely on the president. fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry with our report. >> just as our economy is really starting to recover and starting to see optimisticsigns and we have seen actually some upside to from a whole range of areas, including two from including housing, now is not the time for more self-inflicted wounds , seven not the estimate from washington. lou: president obama's top advisers were quick to dump on the speaker come -- declaring he is backed into a corner. >> they wet from plan b to plan seal later. the fact that they could not even plan -- pass that was an embarrassment. >> in private the president's advisers admit they are bit more apprehensive firmly believing mr. obama has the upper end of the public. if the market takes the hit to the commander-in-chief we will still face his share of heat for washington this function to may point republicans are hammering. >> the u.s. economy is est
and it's also will a strategic question. a lot of folks want something to happen on the fiscal cliff and the one thing they don't want to include is an inclusion of the debt ceiling, an extension of the debt ceiling because come next year, early next year when we hit that debt limit again, they want to have spending cuts included with the debt limit negotiations and that's where the spending cuts i predict will happen during the debt limit and not the fiscal cliff. >> what's it going to look like when we have this fight about the debt ceiling. >> robert just said that the one thing that has been brought up is the debt ceiling as part of the negotiation and the other thing that they've mentioned are the spending cuts and he'll make an offer to put those on the table and part of that is that these are not popular right now and we could have an intellectual exercise about whether they should be, about whether it's proper or not, but the political reality is barack obama just wants to campaign and the liberals did very well. ? they didn't win the house. >> what's that? >> they didn't win
for being with us. bill beach from the heritage foundation. the white house meeting on the fiscal cliff is less than an hour away. we will tell you which companies will be first to get slammed by automatic spending cuts and tax hikes and still ahead a critical weekend for retailers, analyst christian betts says shoppers have all the power right now. she is here coming up but as we do every day at this time we want to check how oil is moving. she's still the one for you - you know it even after all these years. but your erectiledysfun- you know,that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anyme the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is t only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needingo go frequently or urgently. tell your doctorbout all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcoh
is the austerity that could have been or might be created by the fiscal cliff. taking money out of the pockets of the taxpayers. and making serious budget cuts at the simultaneous. the result is a serious austerity and buy every economist and author of the economy back into a recession. it's a matter of timing. how do we time the cuts over what amount of time, and then water they going to be? we need to keep in mind that every business, at least that's what i learned at harvard and beyond, you have to make investments. you have to make the proper investment continually. if you do that at think will be in good shape. liz: i get that. just a few seconds left. you can always get what you want. if you had to give up one thing, would you go to 450,000? people have that income. would you say okay? >> if that is part of the deal the answer is, yes, i would. pick a number. keep in mind the need to have the necessary revenues. you get pretty close to the edge where you won't have the revenues necessary, but all the other tax issues, some of which it talked about in the previous segments. liz: democrat
from the fiscal cliff. talks to try to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts won't resume until thursday. andrew spencer has the very latest. >> reporter: some republican lawmakers says president obama wants the country to fall off the fiscal cliff. >> we were gonna go over the cliff before. we are gonna now because that's what the president wants. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner failed to get enough vote for his plan b on thursday. that would have raised taxes on people making more than a million dollars a year. on friday, they left town with no deal. >> i've asked leaders of congress to work toward a package that prevent as tax hike on middle-class americans, protects unemployment insurance for 2 million americans and lays the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. >> raising taxes could still be red ink as far as i can see and it would hurt jobs. >> reporter: some long-time lawmakers are dismayed by the perpetual gridlock. >> i feel it's more likely we'll go over the cliff than not and if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal
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